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Saturday Morning Surfing – Oversharing is *not* intimacy

by Dave Doolin on January 23, 2010 · 59 comments

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It’s Saturday morning and you’re surfing the internet. Perfect, here’s something just for you.

Liz Strauss over at Successful and Outstanding Bloggers gives us The Only Way to Attract a Vibrant, High-Trust Community, with 14 points integral to success.

#8 is my favorite:

#8 Be visible authenticity. Lean toward full disclosure, but avoid over-exposure. Most of us look better with our clothes on.

That’s good advice. Most people do look better with their clothes on!

What could have inspired Liz Strauss’s advice?

I think it’s this: many people mistake “oversharing” for intimacy, for authenticity, for transparency.

But it’s none of those. It’s simply inappropriate self-indulgence.

It’s easy to step across this line. Once you get into the writing groove, and start unloading, all those emotions come burbling up. You feel you can’t hold your emotion back… it feels good to share. There’s nothing like a good rant to get everything sorted out.

A friend (Deacon) and I came to this conclusion last night:

Just because it feels good to write… doesn’t mean it’s good writing.

This seems to be a key mistake of many people apparently driven to overshare. Don’t mistake the feeling you get from the writing with the quality of the writing. Great writing will inspire great emotion. But great emotion may or may not produce great writing.

The upshot: if you feel compelled to overshare, your writing had better be good.

No, your writing ought to be superb.

If you think differently, let’s hear about it in the comments.




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Gordie January 23, 2010 at 5:31 am

I think Penelope Trunk is a good example of someone who overshares but does it through good writing. You heard of her? What do you think?
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 10:25 am

Gordie, I agree on both points: she is an extremely good writer, and she does tend to overshare. Primarily, that means I’m not in her audience.
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Michelle @ Your Virtual Assistant January 23, 2010 at 5:58 am

I’m going to have to check out Penelope Trunk that Gordie mentions above.

I tend to overshare in some of my posts but I don’t do it all that often – and none of my writing is really that good yet. Probably my favorite person who overshares but does it in a hilarious manner is @CreativeJunkie’s blog. When I need a good laugh I always go to her blog!
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 10:32 am

Michelle, definitely check PT’s work. She’s an extremely talented writer. I just get the feeling she’s more interested in living in her drama than actually moving into a better place. But she is *definitely* worth reading.
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Michelle @ Your Virtual Assistant January 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

Interesting – read a few of her posts. Wonder if she’s still in WI (that’s where I am at).
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Lisis January 23, 2010 at 7:30 am

I could not agree more. Funny, ’cause we were just talking about this on your last post.

I tend to not read the Penelope Trunk, Dooce, or Bloggess type blogs because of the over-sharing. I don’t care how good a writer you are, there are some things that are best left unsaid (same with Pavlina lately).

However, considering their huge audiences, I suppose there are MORE people out there who are voyeuristic readers… they must love those gory details and awkward (oh-no-she-di’n't!) moments.

I really don’t know, but I don’t care either. I’m not going THERE just for page views. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, THOSE stories will be saved for posthumous publication. I’m going to have to agree with deacon; just because you CAN do something, doesn’t mean you should.

Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 11:03 am

Funny you should mention Pavlina. I could say a lot here, but WIAW isn’t the right forum…

Moving right along…

Here’s a few other extremely talented writers skirting the overshare line: Penny Flame/Jenny Ketcham, Tucker Max, Amanda Fucking Palmer. Bukowski from a previous generation. I’m sure I can come up with more now that I’m thinking about it.

It’s like they’re using a Train Wreck model for engaging audiences.

How sustainable is living a Train Wreck?

Even for such enormously talented writers?

I certainly don’t know.

Which is what I really appreciate about your writing Lisis, you seem to dance that fine line with elegance and charm. I don’t always comment, usually because I’m weeks behind in my reading and other’s have already said it, but I’m lurking.
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Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 9:01 am

Dave, as a confessed “self indulgent” blogger I respectfully disagree with you and with Liz. While I agree that if one wishes to maintain a professional appearance and a modicum of personal privacy it is wise to avoid certain subjects, I find that I personally prefer people to be themselves, and if that includes “oversharing”, as Liz deems it, then so be it. (With personal blogs, not informational blogs, I prefer more professionalism there.) I like reading a lot of other “over sharers” as well as those who hold back a bit. Like you implied, it depends on the person doing the sharing. Some are better at it than others, or perhaps I just personally relate to them so I find their words more appealing.

If being yourself while blogging means making fun of or lambasting the blogging styles of others, then so be it as well. There’s definitely an audience for that kind of thing. Also, it can be good to try on different suits until we find what fits us best.

It’s best that we put it out there so others can get a feel for who we are and decide whether or not our blogs entertain them and enhance their lives in any way, or if it’s best just to plunk us off their RSS reader list.

The beauty of it all is that there’s something out there for everybody, and if we don’t like what we are reading we may simply move on to the next blog.
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 10:45 am

Heather,

It’s true: I do have someone in mind… but it’s not you!

In fact you didn’t even cross my mind when I was writing this article.

For one thing, you write much better – right now – than this person has ever written, despite having a lot more experience. As you continue, you will move from really really good, to amazing. This person most likely will not.

I suspect I have another article in me on this topic. Maybe more than one. As Lisis mentioned, we’ve tried to pin this down, and haven’t yet succeeded.

And it’s worth getting right. Which means putting some serious thought into it. This article took me about 3 hours of writing before I was ready to publish. Any future articles will be the result of similar deliberation.

Thanks again for your comment. I’m not making fun of anyone, not at all. This is serious; I’m working out for myself how much is appropriate to share of myself (there’s a lot. Really, a lot.)

And you’re staying in my RSS feed lady, don’t you dare think otherwise!
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Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 11:33 am

Who knew you could be so diplomatic? lol Thanks, it is appreciated.

But I wasn’t just talking about you when it comes to making fun of other blogger’s styles. I see it all the time. I even wrote a post or two when I first started talking about others and the things they choose to write about. Like you, I was only trying to work things out in mee wee noggin.

And yes I do realize that I occasionally paint myself into a corner. I haven’t had outside employment since being a stay at home Mom and blogger. If I worked outside the home, I would definitely post fewer personal items. As it stands, I’m probably permanently and irrevocably screwed. :-D

Look forward to your future posts on this issue.
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 11:37 am

Heather, who knew indeed!?

I’m absolutely charmed.

I’ve never been accused of being even *remotely* diplomatic. You’ve made my day. I should Step Away From The Computer now, while I’m still ahead.

Amanda January 23, 2010 at 10:40 am

In theory, I’m all about transparency. But it scares the living hell outta me. I’m terrified of over-sharing because you honestly can’t take back what you’ve said on the internet. I’ve said it before: the internet monster is like an elephant that never dies or gets old; it remembers EVERYTHING.

Now outside the internet? Well, that’s a whole new game. People will tell you that I over-share IRL all the freaking time.
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 10:53 am

Haha! Yep, the Monster Elephant That Never Dies.

IRL, I have some friends about as close as family. Closer probably. And a very tight (but far from closed) social circle. We Know Stuff about each other. Heh.

Great article on Confidence and Rates, BTW.
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Deacon January 23, 2010 at 11:18 am

I immediately thought of James Baldwin as someone who can overshare and do it extremely well. Damn that guy was a good writer. Each *paragraph* is an emotional roller coaster.
I could write a whole lot about intimacy, but most of what I know comes from real life. I haven’t quite figured out how that translates into writing. The super tricky part of it is that intimacy is an emotional thing, not a procedural thing. Intimacy does not come from sharing more information, or sharing details. It comes from sharing emotion.
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 11:34 am

Writing with intimacy, or writing intimately. Is there a difference? Anne Frank just popped into mind.

Something to work on. We have the chops here IRL. We’ll figure it out.
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Kelly Diels January 23, 2010 at 11:47 am

I am SO glad that you told me last night that this piece is not about me. (‘Cuz you know, I’m a narcissist and of course it is all about me, always.)

I worry about the over-share. Every time I get nervous about posting a piece that is waaaaaaaay revealing (and indulgent, absolutely), I do it anyway. Then I regret it but inevitably it gets huge love. And that is both gratifying and scary.

Gratifying, because I get lots of private e-mails that say, you KNOW me. I am THERE. Thank you, it helped so much.

Scary, because sometimes it feels like what I have to offer is a virtual pound of flesh. And that is unsustainable.

Train wreck writing – yep. Bukowski – have a love/hate on with Bukowski. To distill the personal minutiae into something compelling and bigger and grander and more thematic than mere minutiae – yes, that’s the stuff of art. I think. Says me.

Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 12:10 pm

The “person” I have in mind is really an avatar of several people.

Which is both true and a cop out, because I’m not naming names.

Lisis January 23, 2010 at 4:20 pm

I must admit, I’m curious who your Muse was for this post. Hmmm…

Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 12:31 pm

Hey Kelly, I can tell from the last couple of paragraphs of your comment that you are a good writer. Nice to have been exposed to you here. (As opposed to exposing myself to you.) See? Dave did something good today. :)

I’m a fan of The Buk as well. Not as a person, but for his ability to cut to the heart of the matter and be concise in his writing. He didn’t have a lot of filters, if any. I recently dusted off my love of poetry and am wanting to experiment. If you have any poets to recommend I’d surely appreciate it.
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TheInfoPreneur January 23, 2010 at 1:38 pm

I’m a big fan of Dooce because of her oversharing but no one else like her. Strange really when you talk about writers etc as I actually don’t class myself as a writer, just a guy who likes talking to people. … At what point can you class yourself as a writer?

Really good post man, made me think this one, which is a rare thing! lol
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 6:39 pm

When you’re getting paid for words directly is a good milestone. But doesn’t really matter. Anyone can call themselves a writer. Barrier to entry is very low.

Anne January 23, 2010 at 6:26 pm

I love Kelly’s writing. Found her through a guest post and read often [comment sparingly]. I’ve read Penelope and could relate a bit, then I found some old stuff of hers and do understand about some of her oversharing. As for the others, I’m not into reality tv or reality blogging of the train wreck nature. I’ve had my own drama and prefer boring. Drama is highly overrated.

I am in awe [to some degree] at the level of comfort some have in how much they share. There are things about me that even I don’t want to know about, let alone share them with the whole world. I can liken them to those overly largish persons who wear clothes way too small yet appear quite comfortable in their own skin. While I am forever sucking something in and wondering if I’ll ever be able to put on a pair of shorts and go out in public again. I may not think they look good, but I sure to admire their ability to not care what I think.
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

It’s relative, you know.

Once person sharing what they had for dinner could be oversharing. Another person sharing… well… you know… whatever… might be totally congruent.

I think it has to do with the “why” more than the “what.”

Anne January 23, 2010 at 7:03 pm

Why is subjective as well. People who know me don’t know me. They finish my thoughts and interject their perceptions, but are often dead wrong. What they are doing is telling me how they feel while projecting those feelings onto me.

My last boss would forever tell me what an asset I was and compliment me. I would say thank you, halfheartedly. He took this to mean I was being humble and would say so. I finally told him it wasn’t that. I was trying to figure out who he was trying to convince, me or him. I think him since he fired me a few weeks later.

Come to think of it, I guess the why does matter. I just had to think it through.

Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm

I’m hoping 2010, 2011 will be defining years in how we value people socially. If the situation doesn’t change, the people that do nothing – the parasites – will eventually kill the host. That’s us.

Keep rocking it folks. You’re on topic, dead on.

Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 6:51 pm

(Sorry Dave, I’m not trying to hijack your post, I swear! But it’s bringing out some really fabulous ladies!)

Anne, you so rock! I have long envied the lack of self-awareness displayed by a certain percentage of the public. You did a perfect job of describing the physical variety. Completely dispossessed of themselves, they float through life in an impenetrable bubble of confidence. There are also the ones who apply for CEO positions straight out of high school and really believe they deserve them. Quite often they date out of their league because, unfazed by numerous rejections, they persevere until they get what they feel are their just desserts.

I’m actually prone to horde what is truly personal to me. What I write about may seem quite intimate to some, but most of it is really very much on the surface. I wonder if perhaps it is the same with others who share what, to the naked and unknowing eye, might be considered a little too much?
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Dr Wordpress! January 23, 2010 at 7:04 pm

Hijack away. Go for it. I’m about done for tonight, I expect many and large profound revelations when I return tomorrow morning.

Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 7:10 pm

By the way, I just saw your comment to Anne. Quite perceptive. (I almost said shockingly perceptive, but I don’t know you at all so it’s only the idea I have of you that’s not actually you that I’m using as a basis of comparison.)

Anne is amazingly perceptive as well. She won’t be pegged or pinned down. Continues to surprise me. I’d keep my eye on that one!
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Anne January 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm

I love hearing stories about men and women who just go for it without worrying what others think. I do that, selectively. But it gets less and less the older I get. Which is just wrong. Yet, a lot of these people do care, but have learned to put forth a confident front in order to get what they want. I am just such a rule follower that it’s annoying [to me].

Heather, I never thought you shared too much. I’m in awe by your ability to share in a way that makes us say, ‘Hey, I do that!’ We attract readers, followers, potential friends by sharing bits of ourselves that are relate-able. What one deems oversharing another deems wanted information. To quote Holly, “It’s all a matter of perspective”.

Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 7:46 pm

Anne, just so you know, I didn’t mean to imply that I necessarily admire people like that. I just envy their confidence. It’s like they’re not even human. They don’t play by the same set of rules as the rest of us. Quite often they have narcissistic personality disorder and the like, (this I have experience with personally, sigh) but sometimes they’re just in their own realm and the rest of us don’t seem to touch them. The flip side of that is that we don’t seem to touch them, you know?

It’s people like you who follow the rules that I tend to admire. You break the rules when you need to, but you don’t think you have a God-given right to cut in line.
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Anne January 23, 2010 at 8:35 pm

I heard once that many of those truly successful in the corporate world are sociopaths. No different than serial killers in that they have no remorse, yet they don’t kill people. That’s not to say they don’t harm people. I don’t know how true it is, but they do have to compromise something to do some of the things they do.

I wonder how much of that narcissistic behavior is real and how much is a mask for something else. I knew a girl [?] who acted better than, but it was a cover for so much about herself she didn’t like or was unsure of. Similar to those who get deeply depressed when they don’t have a job since they derive so much of their sense of self from their career. This could be the same reason for those who share a bit too much. They need to identify with something, someone. Feel they have a purpose. Or just feel they are not alone. Yet, no matter how much they share, if it’s the same things over and over and they never try to make a change I no longer care to read about it since they’ve shown me they don’t care about themselves. They have proven themselves insincere. Then again, I trust everyone and hate feeling like I’ve been played. It’s disheartening. This is why I don’t blog about my working out anymore. I’m too inconsistent. ;)
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Heather Kephart January 23, 2010 at 9:05 pm

Anne, I never thought I’d say this but I’m going to say it… “like Dave Doolin said” (God help me) it’s not the what but the why. You are sincere. You aren’t posting about working out to manipulate your readers into an emotion. I’ve had about 100 starts and abrupt starts myself. I realize we are different people, but I relate to you so much. I have no advice for you other than this…

You are truly amazing, kind, perceptive, talented. The only one who can’t see it is you. Tell yourself to take a hike every now and then and just “be”. Some of the best writing advice I’ve ever read is, “You must say the thing that must not be said.” I, of course, haven’t yet said the thing that must not be said, but I keep the thing that must not be said close to my heart and on the edge of my fingertips at all times. Hopefully, eventually, you will burst your bud of self-containment and blossom into yourself… again.
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Holly Jahangiri January 24, 2010 at 10:57 pm

Wow. Someone quoted me. In public. :)

Thanks, Anne! I feel almost-famous, now.
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Heather Kephart January 25, 2010 at 6:49 am

I have heard of YOU, Holly, where I haven’t heard of or read the other bloggers mentioned here.
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Holly Jahangiri January 25, 2010 at 7:00 am

Aww, now that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. (I think that’s a blush. Or my new vitamins are waaay too loaded with Niacin.)
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Dr Wordpress! January 25, 2010 at 9:15 am

All this love flowing around… make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Shirls January 23, 2010 at 11:01 pm

@Anne – I can’t wait to read your blog as well as Heather’s. I lack the confidence to even write in my own JOURNAL which is securely password protected. But I really want to blog and I will, once I get up the courage.

Dr Wordpress! January 24, 2010 at 11:42 am

Shirls, take it a step at a time. Get a google account, get a wordpress blog, a gravatar, take it from there.

Heather Kephart January 25, 2010 at 6:54 am

Thank you Shirls! That is a wonderful gift you give us, your time and attention. I concur with Dave. No time like the present. When you start out, think done is better than perfect. You do not have to blog about personal things, but it is fun to send your words out into cyberspace. :) I think it’s easiest to start out with a Google/gmail account, and a free Blogger blog, then transfer to Wordpress if things get going (you will have to pay for web hosting). Looks to me like you might already have a Gravatar so you’re good to go there. When you get set up, let us know so we can give you a read!
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Shirls January 25, 2010 at 11:55 am

I do have a Blogger blog and a Wordpress one. I just haven’t dared to post anything yet. Have ordered “The Courage To Write”. Am resolved to stop being a wuss.

Dr Wordpress! January 25, 2010 at 12:04 pm

Shirls, if you do this:

Write your first article on Google Docs and share it with me (will send email address)…

I will do these 3 things with you:

1. Proof your article with you.
2. Ensure you have a good title along with SEO type stuff.
3. Help you get it posted on your wordpress.com blog.

Shirls January 25, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Dave, thanks so much. That’s wonderful and most generous. Will do.

Holly Jahangiri January 25, 2010 at 12:43 pm

First you say “one step at a time,” then you throw acronyms at the poor woman!

Shirls, what do you envision your blog to be? Is it to be a personal journal, an ongoing writing exercise, a money-making venture, or…what?
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Dr Wordpress! January 25, 2010 at 12:45 pm

Balderdash, woman!

Shirls is a courageous, strong, ambitious and motivated woman about to step off on a lifelong journey of wonder, excitement, revelation and epiphany!

And you think she’s daunted by a trifling acronym?

Piffle!

Holly Jahangiri January 25, 2010 at 12:54 pm

Daunted, no, but is it her first priority? I was just thinking you might encourage her to set up housekeeping and get comfortable with the notion of “readers” before showing her how to attract a hundred THOUSAND readers a month…

Just a thought…don’t mind me. ;)
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Dr Wordpress! January 25, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Good point, Holly. Keeping things as simple as possible is always a good idea.

From my perspective, Step 2 is not difficult and it’s good to build good habits from the start.

Let’s let Shirls decide: Skip Step 2? Or not. It’s cool either way. If you can’t decide, flip a coin and go with it.

Since you’re knee deep in my stuff today Holly, perhaps you could volunteer to help Shirls get her 2d article posted? =)

Holly Jahangiri January 25, 2010 at 1:06 pm

I’d be happy to help.

And you do have a good point – it’s easier to start with a few SEO basics in mind, rather than to have to rewrite/redo stuff after you have 250 posts published. :)

“Knee deep in your stuff”? Why do I suddenly feel like I’m up to my alligators in…
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Shirls January 26, 2010 at 9:37 am

Hey I’m blushing! Here’s the thing – I want to blog about being a freemason’s wife, among other things. I haven’t been able to find much about that on the net. Only thing is, will it get my husband into trouble? Because it’ll be very tongue in cheek. And with SEO (yeah I had to google it!) these very serious guys would probably pick it up? Heck, I might even get a novel out of this venture. Thanks, Dave and Holly for your input. I do believe it will be fun.

Holly Jahangiri January 26, 2010 at 9:58 am

Oh, my goodness! Well, Shirls, first thing you do is ensure domestic harmony and tranquility – make sure your husband’s okay with it, and respect any boundaries he’s got about what is okay to write about and what’s not. If you think anything you might write could “get him into trouble” then don’t post it without giving him the opportunity to look it over first. (He’s a big boy – if he says ‘go for it’ and later gets into trouble, at least he’s approved it and shares the blame, right?)

I think it would be interesting to read, especially if done with humor. And while I’m all about freedom of expression and no censorship, I gave the advice above as a woman who has been happily married for over a quarter of a century – and would like to STAY that way. ;) I’m also all about privacy rights, even when I have no secrets to speak of – you know, in principle, what’s my business is MY business.

Having said that, what my husband and kids do to ME or in public is kind of … not entirely private, insofar as it affects me. Respect and a sense of boundaries keeps me from writing about “intimate” matters – there are things I have no desire to share with my readers. But I think you get what I’m saying – insofar as you are telling YOUR story and YOUR side of things, you should, in principle, be free to write anything you like.

It’s all about balance, with a healthy dash of love and respect thrown in.

Assume that with or without SEO, anything you post publicly will be stumbled upon by the people you LEAST want to see it. Can you live with that? If so – you lodge your tongue firmly in your cheek, grab your keyboard, and go for it! :)
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Holly Jahangiri January 24, 2010 at 11:06 am

Dave, you made me go hunt down a link to a post I wrote in 2008. 2008?? (What was that Amanda said?) It was a discussion like this one that inspired it, and I think it’s mostly still true today. Since it’s a little long to reproduce as a comment, I’m going to be self-indulgent and post a link: Naked Thoughts in Public? Why Blog?

It’s always interesting to see how this conversation evolves over the years, though – to see if our thoughts on blogging have changed, either as readers or bloggers.
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Dr Wordpress! January 24, 2010 at 11:56 am

Holly, you threw down *hard* in that one!

Understanding how much to share, when, why and with whom is turning out to be one of the most important conversations of our day.

Mike CJ January 24, 2010 at 12:07 pm

There’s a very real danger I’m slightly missing the point here, and if so accept my apology – it’s been a long day.

For me the issue isn’t what I would call over sharing. Hell, I’m fascinated to read about the lives, loves and whatever else about the blogging gliterati. Penelope and Steve have already been mentioned, and I wrote about them both in my book – I love to hear about their lives. But they both have a way of turning their very personal stories into something for the reader.

The kind of writers I hate are the ones who simply write for themselves, about themselves and to their own benefit.

Like I say, it may be that you were saying the same thing. I find increasing truth in the statement that we Brits and you Americans are divided by a common language – I often find myself saying “I think I know what he / she means, but I’m not entirely sure.”
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Dr Wordpress! January 24, 2010 at 12:19 pm

Mike, one thing I like about Kelly, who really does live her life out in the open, is that I learn something every time she writes.

I can’t say the same for many of the others.

And here we have the other side of the “It depends” coin.

It depends not only on the writer and his or her motivation, but the reader and the reader’s motivation.

Holly Jahangiri January 24, 2010 at 12:24 pm

Please keep saying that, Mike. I get all kinds of flack from my fellow writers – the ones who claim they write only for themselves, because they must, and – well, you know, it’s icing on the cake and all if anyone reads and likes it, but…

It’s a defense mechanism to protect them from criticism like this – what you’re saying here is that “overshare” really means “we did not need to know this much about you, but if you’re going to subject us to it, the least you could do is make it interesting, thought-provoking, or funny.” I think “overshare” means “you’ve just wasted five minutes of my life, and I want it back.”

But for the writer, it leaves you vulnerable – you should have a sense of boundaries. There are lines you probably don’t really want to cross, no matter what impulse drives you to write about those things. Think twice before hitting Submit.

Just out of morbid curiosity (and sort of to prove a point), I went over to Alexa.com. ratemypoo.com ranks slightly better than my site, worldwide – but I’m quite pleased to announce that it does NOT rank better in the U.S. (just when you though American tastes were in the toilet, I’m able to prove they’re NOT). Talk about overshare: ratemypoo.com is the definition of it.

Now, what were y’all saying about fellow bloggers who tell you what they had for dinner? I’d rather read that than know about how it came out on the other end.
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Kelly Diels January 24, 2010 at 12:12 pm

I think the over-share is also a great strategy for making yourself absolutely unemployable. I have pursued that strategy fervently. Kill the safety net.

Dr Wordpress! January 24, 2010 at 12:22 pm

[refrain]

And I’m free, free fallin’
Yeah, I’m free, free fallin’

Valentina January 24, 2010 at 2:11 pm

Before commenting perhaps I should go visit some of those people mentioned here — I have never heard of them which of course means nothing as I have only recently started to blog hop (nice new exercise but I wish that like other exercises it would shave an ounce or two off the bod), but I think I get the drift here.

Someone mentioned “vulnerable” which in my view is a charming characteristic, to me it means that the person still believes in humanity – and god knows that the longer we live, the more the reason we have to protect ourselves in a shell and hide our vulnerability.

Now the over sharing bit … hard to say especially if as the observation here is that much of it is well written, but it seems that what at one time might have elicited a gasp at the audacity of something is now but a yawn, and sometimes, the over sharing (in my view) is for shock value. That such bloggers attract a huge amount of traffic has more to say about us the readers than the writers … oh, but I forget, we do live in the land of Twitter! Silly me!

It’s Sunday …….enough on the ‘puter already and out to enjoy the rest of the day even though it is somewhat grey.

But I always enjoy my visits over here :-)

best…………….valentina
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Dr Wordpress! January 24, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Vulnerability is another hot button topic. Thanks for bringing that up. Good fodder for future articles.

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