Comments on: Post Titles, Page Titles & Title Elements – Why POSH matters

By: Putra Eka

Putra Eka — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:54:04 +0000

I like using wordpress very much, because with their seo friendly structure
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By: Dr Wordpress!

Dr Wordpress! — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:07:01 +0000

@Sean – You are getting closer to understanding why MS Word set document processing back 15 years, and why people such as myself succumb to rage (I’m not joking) when forced to use it.

It turns out that documents of all sorts have fairly specific structures. These structures can be described with a fair amount of precision (e.g., “lede,” “topic sentence,” &c). The infrastructure supporting these structures such as titles, header and sectional dividers of various sorts can also be fairly precisely described.

And it’s all out the window with visual markup.

With logical markup, what you want to do is easy. Consider (in markdown format):

= title =
* section
** subsection
** subsection

How this displayed in HTML would be easy… if the document were stored as a tree (that’s a data structure). Then, formatting in HTML is just a shift right or a shift left in tag hierarchy. Simple. Trivial.

Being stored as a flat file full of HTML, not so simple. It’s not too hard, just tedious, messy and full of edge cases… if you assume the HTML is well-formed. If it’s not well-formed, get’s ugly.

There are people spend a lot of time pondering these problems. I am not one of them.
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By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:33:41 +0000

It is a pretty problem since the headers are written into the the_content template tag. A filter would have to be written of some sort to change the contents of a post. Or a plugin written to do some sort of replacement, and use some other notation to indicate that certain text is a subheader.
The more I think about this, the weirder a problem it is. It seems to require a higher level of semantic meaning in the code. Something would have to be run to think figure out what semantic meaning to give the element based on it’s location.
Just thinking out loud. Is there a meta-semantic markup?
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By: Dr Wordpress!

Dr Wordpress! — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:20:05 +0000

@Sean – I was wondering who was going to ask this question.

In short, there is no good way to do what you’re thinking given how (I think) WordPress uses markup.

I’d have to take a real good look at formatting.php to say for sure.

It’s a hard problem. Actually, it’s not that hard, but nobody will do the small amount of work it takes to understand logical versus visual markup. WordPress does pretty good though.
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By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:22:19 +0000

[ok, sorry for the mess, code tags don't seem to process in comments]
Question, a little in depth:
You are using H1 blog post titles with H2 subheaders on your single post web pages, but if your blog post titles are H2 on your main blog page (and archive lists, etc), it would make sense that the subheaders are H3.
Since subheaders are hardcoded into the post content, how would this be changed for web pages that display lists of posts with the entire post content, rather than just a teaser?
You seem to be getting around this by only displaying titles and teaser text on your web pages that display lists of posts. I display the entire post on my post list web pages, any suggestions for how to achieve this?
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By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:19:46 +0000

[reposted comment, I didn't think the header tags would process, since they aren't allowed. I hope this works...]
Question, a little in depth:
You are using blog post titles with subheaders on your single post web pages, but if your blog post titles are on your main blog page (and archive lists, etc), it would make sense that the subheaders are .
Since subheaders are hardcoded into the post content, how would this be changed for web pages that display lists of posts with the entire post content, rather than just a teaser?
You seem to be getting around this by only displaying titles and teaser text on your web pages that display lists of posts. I display the entire post on my post list web pages, any suggestions for how to achieve this?
Sean´s last blog ..Why Printmaking? (A Study in Polarity)

By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:16:25 +0000

Question, a little in depth:
You are using blog post titles with subheaders on your single post web pages, but if your blog post titles are on your main blog page (and archive lists, etc), it would make sense that the subheaders are .
Since subheaders are hardcoded into the post content, how would this be changed for web pages that display lists of posts with the entire post content, rather than just a teaser?
You seem to be getting around this by only displaying titles and teaser text on your web pages that display lists of posts. I display the entire post on my post list web pages, any suggestions for how to achieve this?
Sean´s last blog ..Why Printmaking? (A Study in Polarity)

By: Dr Wordpress!

Dr Wordpress! — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:17:19 +0000

@Blake – Vote #3

@Spirit – This is going to get harder and harder to do as the search engines refine their algorithms.

@EJ – Thanks! I tend to use the defaults on just about every piece of software I own. Too many years of too much programming. Now I just can’t be bothered. It’s not the programming itself, it’s the maintenance work keeping up with it!
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By: Extreme John

Extreme John — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:13:23 +0000

Dave I really have to say you write some of the most informative and most well written posts I have seen out of just about every site that I visit.

Now if only you could fix my Thesis theme haha
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By: Spiritual bisnis internet seo

Spiritual bisnis internet seo — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:39:29 +0000

WordPress gives 85% SEO, i believe that
when i created one page without article its indexed at page 3 at google
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