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Cargo Cult and The Art of Blogging

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An acquaintance of mine who makes a fair bit of money from blogging has taken to railing against blogging. Loudly.

I’m not sure why he loathes blogging so much because his blogs catch a fair bit of traffic and he really is making some money at it. And he writes for blogs at least daily. I won’t mention names, that’s not what I do. You may see him around.

But I will say this: it is not possible to succeed at blogging without having everything you do being available for public scrutiny. Good, bad or indifferent. If you fail, it’s public. By definition.

Disclaimer: I loathe word “blogging” with a purple passion.

But I use the word “blogging” because 1. everyone else is using it, and 2. what, exactly, is it we’re doing here, anyway? Blogging, that’s what.

Now there’s a couple of things about bloggers that I have observed over the years.

First, bloggers tend to learn by doing AND writing. Thus we have 10,000 articles on “How To Install WordPress.”

I don’t have a problem with this. People who learn by writing are my kind of people, and being able to read what they wrote gives me some insight into who they are and what they know. I like that.

Second, anyone writing for the internet on a regular basis (blogging by any other name) must surround themselves with the tools of the craft, they must learn the language, and they must practice their craft – however poorly – in public.

That is to say, everyone’s initial foray into blogging is indistinguishable from worshipping at the altar of a blogging cargo cult.

This is no different than painting. If you want to paint, you have to buy paint, brushes and canvas. And practice. A lot.

If you want to be successful at blogging, you have to practice, a lot.

If you want to be successful at anything, you have to practice, a lot.

But don’t let anyone tell you why you should or should not blog.

Art takes time to develop, a lot of time. Blogging being a performance art, you will be scrutinized, criticized, complimented and lauded. Pay little attention to any of it. Just keep doing what you know you need to do, and let the gadflies bite someone else.

And if the word “blog” is offensive to you, substitute “Writing personal, product, marketing, sales or relationship articles on a regular basis on the internet for the purpose of [insert your purpose here].” If that isn’t enough, move off of blogging software completely. In fact, move away from any database-driven web publication and code your web pages up by hand. That will surely remove any temptation to “blog.”

Comments

  1. Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

    I’m not sure who you’re writing about. Frankly it could be me, or any of the dozens of people I talk to that feel this way.

    Regardless, I’m curious…what does being a successful blogger look like?

    When I speak out against blogging…it’s not the craft itself I speak out against, but the way it is used.

    1% of bloggers have the chance to create a blog that earns them a full-time living. Maybe less.

    I’m guessing that less than 1% of bloggers actually grew up wanting to be pro-bloggers.

    What about the rest? What do they want to do? I wanted to write novels and build businesses. I didn’t want to write for free every day and become addicted to comments and RT’s.

    I didn’t want to feel like I was trapped on a hamster wheel from hell.

    Blogging isn’t the problem, it’s the promise of pro-blogging that is the problem. Even in this day of successful infomarketers, we’re dealing with product fatigue. People are misled to believe they can just throw up a random ebook and that people will buy it and they’ll be home free.

    I’d rather teach someone to go back to doing what they love…create a product in that market, and then blog about it. Flip it in reverse…that’s all.
    Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • Nathan, you’re a crusader and internet marketing is way too small an arena. Why not take on stuff that really matters, like changing our financial system from legalized swindling to a level playing field so small business can thrive? Or keeping Big Agriculture from destroying genetic diversity (famine is an ugly business).

      Seriously, consider putting your energy where it really matters.

      • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

        I still have a hard time reading you Dave…I’ll admit. So I can’t tell if you’re saying that I’m wasting my energy and being trivial or if you’re honestly challenging me to step it up.

        In either case, you might be right, but I’ve always had this urge to call it like I see it, and in this case I’m convinced that there’s a problem brewing that most people aren’t aware of. This isn’t something I just decided to do…it’s been 2 years in the making.

        That being said, hell yeah, I’m trying to get there, and I will. That’s why I call myself a “platformer” and why I’m never satisfied (to a fault, I admit).

        The bottom line is that I feel partially responsible for feeding people this lie, and as soon as I figured it out, I had to share. People don’t like it because it’s brutal and it kills the game…but that’s not my problem.

        At some point, people have to start being real. Blogging has become the new cubicle.
        Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

  2. Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

    I’m not here to challenge you on your own blog or tell your readers what to think, but I’ll say this…there’s no such thing as trivial when stating what you believe in.

    Perhaps you don’t like it because you’re in the blogging niche and your income depends on it?
    Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

  3. Garlic, called anything else, still stinks. A blog is a place where anyone can say something they think is necessary to say. We all have to learn (or at least cope with) the technical issues but most of us don’t care a rat’s ass for becoming an expert at wordpress or coding. A blog is nothing more than a marketing vehicle which is very accessible to individuals. Most people suck at marketing and have a negative impression about it. Nevertheless, marketing is what life is all about. Successful bloggers either know this instinctively or learn it from hard experience and persistence. I believe that success in blogging is like success everywhere else- luck has some part but it is mostly hard work and dogged persistence and a willingness to abandon things that don’t work and try something new until it clicks. Maybe your successful blogger is ashamed of being a marketer and now that he has his success wants to take the higher ground and clean his dirty fingernails. I don’t care. I’m apparently not following him anyway.
    Ralph´s last post ..Sunday Funnies – Crazy Frog Brothers

  4. Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

    I’ve been thinking about this all morning because…you have a great point.

    I agree with you…in a sense…and I think you know that.

    Remember how when you got to college the professors say “forget everything you learned in high school?”

    That’s kind of where I’m at.

    You’re right…the early stuff is important, and that’s a great way to both find meaning as a marketer and as a blogger. Brilliant really…but here’s the thing:

    Someone has to be the college teacher or the first boss.

    Blogging is like life in our educational system.

    H.S. is separated from College in the same way that college is separated from that first job.

    You think good grades matter, but they don’t…in the same way that comments and RT’s and traffic doesn’t.

    In college you think that awards and pedigree matter, but they don’t…in the same way that knowing the right people or being in the right tribe doesn’t matter.

    When you get to that first job you realize that everything you knew was wrong in some way and you wish you would’ve cultivated the important skills before you need them.

    When I graduated with a B.S. in Psychology, I thought I’d be set. Earlier, I thought if I worked hard I’d achieve every goal on my list.

    None of that happened, and I realized that I was fed a lie and that I accepted that lie.

    Now, I have children…what do I tell them? Learn photoshop and Ruby or learn math and get on the honor roll?

    I don’t know. What’s the right thing to do?

    To bring it around to blogging…

    The sooner you learn the truth about the world you occupy the better off you’ll be. Although I’d never give up on blogging, I gave up on the Problogger dream. Why? I realized that I should’ve been doing what I loved all along, which was writing for me and making things that make me happy.

    At some point I got pulled off the track, and now feel like I’m finally back on it. I don’t hate blogging…I just hate seeing people burn out and quit. It’s happened to so many good people.

    Thanks for making me think and for allowing me to craft the beginnings of my manifesto on your blog comment section :)
    Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • We’re in “violent agreement.”

    • Nathan,
      You have a big problem with kids in school. Schools suck! They teach the wrong things. They encourage the wrong behaviors. Everybody knows that what they are learning is wortholess and when you get to college it is mainly the vocation training, kids should have gotten in HS. My kids were out before I woke up. They were smarter than I and recognized that. They totally rejected the shcools mission and devoted themselves to having fun and annoying the officious school administration. No college for one and half hearted attentence at JC for the other. If I were in your shoes today, it would be home schooling using the Jefferson Education system, Teach your kids to be leadersm first of themselves and later others.
      Ralph´s last post ..50’s Nostalgia – Slow Dancing

  5. I think I know who you’re referring to, and if I’m right then he’s on a mission at the moment. But it’s not the mission you think it is – he’s not railing against blogging, but against the notion that you can make money by blogging. And that’s a fallacy I’m equally at pains to destroy.

    Nobody makes money blogging.

    Sure, some people make money by selling adverts on their blogs and still more make money (some serious money) by selling products with their help of their blogs. But I repeat, nobody makes money blogging.

    Those of us in this space that are making some money out of our businesses need to work together to shift people’s mindset away from their blogs, their comments, their RT’s and all that stuff towards their actual businesses, and persuade them that they need to treat the blog simply as one of several marketing platforms for those businesses.

    Can you imagine opening a shop in the high street. You deck it out beautifully, have a great sign on it, place adverts in all the local papers, get friends to call in and say Hi each day.

    But you don’t actually have any stock in it.

    Have you ever heard a shop keeper say “I’m just building presence and footfall at the moment. I’ll start selling something in a few months when I’m established.” ?

    And yet time and time again I hear bloggers say stuff like “I’m in the traffic building phase right now, I’ll think about selling something in the future.”

    For the lucky few this might actually work out. But the vast majority will crash and burn and we’ve all seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.

    What I want to help people do is approach it the other way around. Get a business plan together, know what the market is, plan the products (or adverts), budget for some training and marketing. Approach it as a business. Don’t just build a blog and then try to tack on something that some of your readers might buy.

    • “Nobody makes money blogging.”

      This is like saying “nobody makes money writing.”

      • Nobody makes money blogging.

        Blogs are websites on which people post writing. That doesn’t make any money. At least it didn’t last time I looked.

        It’s selling advertising or other products that actually makes money.

        • Then there really isn’t anything to discuss.

        • Peter in Silicon Valley says:

          I made a lot of money blogging … but indirectly. I blogged to learn how to blog (and update my marketing skills). One thing lead to another (several times) … and all of these things put together made for some remarkable accomplishments in the year of “my unplanned sabatical”. I know for a fact that these accomplishments (that started by blogging) got me 4 interviews. One nearly landed my a VP of Sales and marketing position with a startup (a position several levels up from my previous Marketing Manager position). By having 3 concurrent interviews in process, the company that ultimately hired me was afraid I might have multiple offers and rushed me through the hiring process leading to my current employment. By the way, my 1st ever blog post was for the 2009 Weekend apps event at Google. Dave Doolin gave me my login ID to blog there (Thanks Dave !). If for no other reason … blog as an exercise in self-development and establishing your personal brand. You will learn alot along the way.

          • Peter, that’s so true. But blogging was just part of the skillset you developed, and you put it to very practical use. (That’s why I started learning HTML, and WinHelp, and any number of marketable skills I now possess.) That’s not quite the same thing, but you’re very right – it’s a way to make very good money…blogging. ;)
            Holly Jahangiri´s last post ..Bayouside, TheCritic, and My Friend: Linda

          • Peter,
            Thanks for stopping by.

            May I post the link to your Youtube resume?

            That still knocks me out!

      • Well, damn, Dave. Now you’re confusing ME. Are you trying to refute Nathan’s point – or prove it?
        Holly Jahangiri´s last post ..Bayouside, TheCritic, and My Friend: Linda

    • Mike,
      If we steer people to building their business too soon, noone will buy from them. Unless the come in it with an already recognizable name. I could put out some worksheets or host a webinar….how many do you think would pay for those from me right now? Not many…it is because I am still in the process of earning their trust. So, in my opinion, in the first six months to a year, all the things you say don’t matter are VERY important.

      During that year one should be planning the rest of their business strategy and products, but until you have built trust and a name, putting out products or service will serve to frustrate and demoralize most people. I say this because I know if I put something out and it fails miserably, I’d be frustrated and discouraged big time. That’s why I am working on my traffic, RTs, and building confidence plus trust with others. In six months or a year (depending on how long it takes for me to see that people are trusting me in a way that can motivate them to buy from me), you will see my first products that are not free. Until then, I’d love some visits to the blog and maybe an RT or two ;)

      • Knew there was a reason I liked you. :) You talk sense.

        Anyway, just wanted to say – why not develop your products now then hold on marketing them?
        Heather´s last post ..Alpha Maps: Control what other people see with textures

        • LOL thanks Heather. I am working on some freebies right now. Next move is to get the things I want to sell planned out and going. That and to decide where I want to go…this is an on going journey for me, and I AM learning as I go, so there is a chance I will end up starting all over…
          Gurl´s last post ..Be Our Guest!

          • Freebies are fun – you have to go through the pipeline to get them sent out anyway. :)

            As for possibly starting over… I’d say its probably better to adjust rather than trash and begin again. You’ll get it, think you’re definitely on your way. To….somewhere…. We’ll figure that out too ;)
            Heather´s last post ..Alpha Maps: Control what other people see with textures

          • I’ve restarted a couple of times. As Heather says, if you can recalibrate it’s probably better.

            If not, sweep the chessboard clear and reset.

            Before you do, let me know… no need to waste what you have done when you may be able to reuse it.

      • Jen, it’s been a real pleasure watching you pound away week after week, month after month.

        And sooner than you think, year after year.

        I lean towards your philosophy because 1. I’ve done it the other way and failed just as miserably (nothing like writing up a huge business plan, then realizing it was a waste of time), 2. doing something, anything, keeps me in motion and let’s me learn the ropes as I go.

        But I understand what Nathan and Mike are promoting as well.

        Truly, same coin, different sides. Framing the discussion as “heads I win tails you lose isn’t productive,” so I’m trying just keep the conversation going.
        Dave Doolin´s last post ..Passion is the New Cool – Saturday Morning Surfing

        • Dave,
          Thanks for the kind words. I am slowly but surely getting to where I want to be, with a lot of help from people like you who have either given me a kick in the ass or an atta gurl just when I needed it.

          Thanks for sending out the email, btw. I’d somehow not subscribed to the thread and thought noone was talking here D’Oh!

      • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

        I’m going to ask you a very hard question…

        What do comments, RT’s, and traffic have to do with trust?

        The truth is that they don’t. Look at what happened to James on his blog. He had shitloads of all of it and when he sold something…it fell flat.

        So the truth is that the trust and the business doesn’t come from the blog…it comes from building credibility as someone doing great work.

        You’ve got to flip it around and focus on the great work first.

        Where people go wrong is in trying to build expertise and experience on the fly, and then trying to sell that. I’m telling you from experience that it’s not as easy as it sounds.

        If you don’t have a business, then what’s the point of a blog?
        Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

        • There is no magic business plan guaranteeing success, no matter how much market research goes into it.

          I built this thing, website, software, whole 9 yards: http://firebug.sourceforge.net/

          We couldn’t make the business fly despite having everything else in place.

          Pitching the notion that market research and a business plan is 1. required for success, and 2. ensures success is either naive or disingenuous.

          The local startup scene in Silicon Valley isn’t much for business plans either. If you can’t write the problem and solution on a business card, you’re not going to get much traction from someone like, say, Dave McClure.

          Execute fast, iterate.

          • I didn’t say you need a business plan. I’m saying it’s an insult, as a consumer, to think that someone expects to sell me something they have no business selling. I don’t sell products teaching people how to be a millionaire because I’m not a millionaire.

            In regards to failure…that’s the best way to learn. Who cares if no one buys from you? At least you’ve learned something about execution, right?

            I’m not saying you need a 5 year business blueprint…but having a direction helps. This isn’t about people buying, it’s about you doing something special.

            As a consumer, I appreciate it when someone isn’t selling me a product about something they learned yesterday.

          • Robert Plank is spot on: “Proof, not expertise.” I have 8+ pages of documented expertise on my CV. Nobody cares.

            I don’t conflate the message with the messenger. I learned a lot from James. That he stepped on his yang a few times is no surprise to me, but I learned from that too.

        • Nathan,
          To me they have a lot to do with building trust. I don’t trust a site where no on gives enough of a damn to share an opinon. I could be in a minority there, but tis what tis. As far as RTs, some times they don’t show trust but there are times when they can build your legitimacy or at least make one feel as if they have done so. For example, when an article I did about twitter got picked up by twit tips and sent around like crazy…I knew I had hit something pretty good. I could be looking at things all bassackwards, but as I said above, I am learning as I go. And I am sure I will fail at times, but I want to get to a point where I have a better chance at success, if ya get what I mean.

      • @Gurl I agree with you – the first six months are hugely important and also that you can’t sell anything to anyone when you have no readers. My point (and I suspect you’ve already done this) is that you have to have plan for your business. Setting up a blog to make money, without a plan is like setting up a shop…..well, you know what I mean.

        • Okay, A blanket response to some of the points made in various places that I’ve forgot to add my thoughts too…

          Why have a blog if you don’t have a business?? ZOMG, dude, I started blogging because I needed somewhere to work out my fears and frustrations of living the LDR life style. I’ve moved on since then, but many blog just to share their stories in the hopes that it can help someone else going through the same or connect them with someone going through what they are so they can help each other make it through. I can email you links to some of my older stuff to prove what I say is true about my own blogging beginnings.

          I decided to move on for many reasons, and at first money was just a vague reason because I knew it would be hard but had NO CLUE how much work it would be. I have no real plan right now, because I am still learning…and it is foolish to plan until you have a very good idea of what you are getting yourself into.

          Building authority and trust on the fly… my friends, that is what a lot of us do. Not many burst onto the scene with credentials and TBH even if they do, don’t they have to still earn the trust that they aren’t blowing smoke?? To me they do, but in some things my trust is hard to get.

          If your blogging as a marketing mechanism, wonderful…you’ve likely put in the blood sweat and tears for that to work for you. Some of us new kids on the block know we’ve not done our time yet and have a ways to go before the blogging becomes less about letting the readers get to know and trust us and more of a way to keep them interested while we set up our next big product.

          There are so many legitimate reasons to blog, and quite a few can have nothing to do with making money. So why have a blog without a business…because you can. It’s that simple.

          • Jen, you’re saying some things I’ve refrained from saying because I actually sell my crap here in WiaW.

            I have a vested interest in the discussion, so I’m taking Wikipedia’s strategy with a neutral point of view.

          • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

            Wait…you did say that you were trying to make money from your blog right? You’re not in it for charity, from what I gathered…so what’s wrong with having a biz before the blog?

            Maybe I mis-read the conversation, but I assumed we were talking, at this point, about how to make money with a blog.
            Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • Does Oprah make money talking on TV? Just asking!
      Ralph´s last post ..Sunday Funnies – Japanese Manhole Covers

    • I agree with you. Blogging is a platform for business. And to have a blog that you consider to be part of your business, you need to have a business plan.

      But I can’t really agree with ‘nobody’s making money by blogging’. There is or, more appropriately, there are those have made money by blogging but in an indirect way.

      Just my view. Thanks!
      Bjornson´s last post ..Bjorn Cebuano Updates June 2010

    • Mike CJ —

      Excellent point about a brick and mortar shop in comparison to a blog with no selling. I made my foray into full-time blogger/service provider just last week after closing my brick and mortar indie retail store in February, so I felt as if you were directly speaking to my situation.

      Coming from a sales background with my retail shop, I’m well aware that making money doesn’t happen by accident: in retail or anywhere else, the blogging world included. You’ve got to be intentional, you’ve got to be good to the people who are paying attention, you’ve got to make a human connection, and you’ve got to know when your audience is ripe to buy and when to make the offer. This is simply the nature of commerce.

      Jay Goltz, a business blogger for the NY Times and creator of the fabulous Chicago lifestyle stores Jayson Home + Garden, says, “Big headlines don’t necessarily mean big bottom lines.” Meaning, stores who get a lot of press aren’t necessarily solvent or profitable. Works the same in blogging as in retail. There are lots of great blogs out there who are unmonetized and I’m thinking that the longer you avoid/resist/eschew monetizing, the harder it’ll be to make offers if you ever change your mind.

      Dave, this is my first comment on your site {I durst not call it a blog}. :) Thanks for giving us the opportunity to have this conversation.

      And thanks, Mike CJ , for the illuminating example.

      – Abby
      Abby Kerr´s last post ..Tattoo-Worthy

  6. I’m understanding you, Dave. More each day. And that scares the living bejesus out of me because I rarely understand the work of geniuses/genii. Maybe it’s the onset of middle age… ;-)

    I blog to help and to raise awareness. That’s all. I never dreamed of blogging for payment. Doubt I ever will unless it’s directly connected to some form of service for which I feel I deserve remuneration.

    You brought up a much salient point I’m chewing over as a form of blog direction, however.

    Here in the UK there’s no such thing as genuine new business support. Sure, you have business organisations – but noone will patch in some real-life mentorship with other companies who have gone through the aches and pains of setting up.

    Dave, you know community and team means more to me than anything in the world. That’s why I blog.

    And only a couple of days ago in your presence I realised the power of networking to gather momentum in everything we do.

    If blogging can bring people together to increase exponentially the power of the mind through collectivity, that has to be a good thing, right? Cargo cult or not! ;-)
    Dave Thackeray´s last post ..No U in team – but is there a team in you?

    • Dave, a fair number of people assume that everyone writing articles on the internet is doing it for the same reason they are.

      This simply isn’t true.

      Different people have different motivations. If it weren’t for “blogging” (whatever that means) we would not likely find such an agreeable confluence of interest. This is what I enjoy about it the most.

  7. Oh good god.

    Usually I’ll sit and read all the comments before responding with my own; this time my eyes started to glaze over a bit towards the end. If I’ve missed something pertinent I’m sure someone will tell me.

    ‘Blogging’ is blogging. Business is business. There’s no reason blogging can’t be a part of your business, and business can’t be a part of your blogging. They could even be totally unrelated or so joined at the hip it’s hard to tell the difference. Money is made, things are done, you do what you do because you enjoy it and/or it works.

    Could sit and argue that ‘blogs’ themselves don’t make money, but the counter argument there is without the blog, does your product have exposure? Maybe, maybe not. Depends how you choose to handle things, and that’s likely to depend on your personality and the techniques you find to complement them.

    Far as I’m concerned there’s no right or wrong way to do it. ‘Right’ and ‘Wrong’ imply judgement of a sort; I’m not qualified to make that call. If it works for you it works, if the opposite thing works for you – same deal.

    Everything else is just semantics.
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  8. There is an aspect of this discussion which has been completely overlooked: Pro-Am subculture.

    As it turns out, I have 34 years experience in a range of Pro-Am subcultures; I’m qualified to expound at length.

    While this may be “tipping my hand” a bit (which I don’t like to do, normally), this is a good time and place to get the conversation emplaced within an appropriate cultural context.

    • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

      In the sense that there are 2 different languages being spoken?
      Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • I’d probably go in for the two different perspectives personally.

      On the one hand, people starting out or that aren’t too interested in making tons of money are going to see things a certain way. Other people that do it ‘full time’ or have businesses surrounding the industry in some way, shape or form are going to see it differently.

      Different points on a learning curve, and possibly even different motivations. I see nothing wholly wrong there; there’s a lot to be learned from either. Even with the ‘Pro’ spectrum learning from the ‘Am’ spectrum. Goes both ways.

      Or it should.
      Heather´s last post ..Alpha Maps: Control what other people see with textures

  9. I don’t have a lot of time (gotta go see a friend who just had a new baby), but…

    Seems this is more of an issue of nomenclature. Because the core of this whole “argument” is pretty much…. nothing.

    To say blogging alone makes squat is obviously true. To say you need a business model is what I’ve been saying forever now, and I think underlying what Nathan is saying. But other than that, am I wrong to say that this is just a big bunch of nothing over a single word – “blog”?

    Maybe I scanned the post too fast. :-)
    David Risley´s last post ..Oh Sh**, Another Damn Product Launch?!

  10. At the risk of being totally embarrassed, what is pro-am subculture?
    Ralph´s last post ..Sunday Funnies – Crazy Frog Brothers

  11. Nathan,
    Wordpress claims that I have already said this. If it got said before, it wasn’t my intention. You have a big problem with kids in school. Schools suck! They teach the wrong things. They encourage the wrong behaviors. Everybody knows that what they are learning is wortholess and when you get to college it is mainly the vocation training, kids should have gotten in HS. My kids were out before I woke up. They were smarter than I and recognized that. They totally rejected the shcools mission and devoted themselves to having fun and annoying the officious school administration. No college for one and half hearted attentence at JC for the other. If I were in your shoes today, it would be home schooling using the Jefferson Education system, Teach your kids to be leadersm first of themselves and later others.
    Ralph´s last post ..Sunday Funnies – Crazy Frog Brothers

    • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

      Perfect, because that’s what we’re doing. They’re home schooled for now, and we’re focusing on life lessons more than math, grammar, and science lessons.
      Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • Ralph, having far too much education and not a lot to show for it, I have to agree with you.

      I’m learning those lessons now… right here. In public.

  12. Damn you, Dr. D. What’s the idea starting a dialogue with no potential for resolution on a perfectly good Sunday afternoon when it is finally too hot to go outside. I’ve got a week’s worth of windmills to tilt after and here I sit sharpening my rapier intellect engaging in intellectual badmiten. Somebody save me.
    Ralph´s last post ..50’s Nostalgia – The Nash Metropolitan

  13. holly.jahangiri@gmail.com says:

    I’m responding more to the email than to this post. Someone says, “If you don’t have a business, then what’s the point of a blog?” Really?

    Isn’t that a little like saying, “If you’re not a prostitute, what’s the point of sex?”

    I was blogging long before anyone got the notion to blog for money. I kind of wish no one had gotten that notion. It was more fun (and the reading was way more interesting) back in the early days. I don’t like the word “blogging,” either – for the record, I think it sounds like a gastrointestinal disorder. But I do like writing.

    And you make a good point – blogging means learning rudimentary writing skills, which can hardly be a bad thing.
    holly.jahangiri@gmail.com´s last post ..Bayouside, TheCritic, and My Friend: Linda

  14. Today, a comment on my blog landed right in my heart:

    “I’m struggling with a similar situation, so I love this conversation”

    http://www.kellydiels.com/2010/06/05/he-kinda-makes-me-happy-when-hes-not-with-that-other-woman/#comment-31672

    It made my morning, because I blog for the same reason that Ani Di Franco sings:

    I just write about
    what I should have done
    I just sing what
    I wish I could say
    and hope somewhere
    some woman hears my music
    and it helps her through her day

    - I’m No Heroine, Ani Di Franco

    now.

    that kind of woo-woo intention does not deposit cash into the bank
    but it does put fuel in my tank
    so I can keep driving toward the bank

    and I am driving toward the bank.

    right now, in fact. I’m working on a report for a client. With Dave. And [I'm speaking for Dave too, sorry Dave] nobody would be hiring us to tell them how to improve their blogs and their business if not for our blogs.

    BUT.

    I’d blog anyway. Even if I wasn’t making a cent. Because I get far more from it than I had ever imagined or predicted.

    Money is not the only measure of meaning. It is a good one, and I like it (and I’d like more of it), but it isn’t why we get up in the morning.

    • Kelly,
      I knew I loved you for a reason. You have a singular gift of putting things I want to say in such simple but inviting terms. Thank you for saying what I was trying to say but got distracted and meandered all around.
      Gurl´s last post ..Join Me In A Challenge

  15. I’m seriously sick and tired of people blabbering on about how much school sucks, blah, blah, blah. It’s like the new version of blaming your parents for your personal faults and failings.

    Speaking out against the school system and saying it’s not good for anyone is just as stupid and inane as saying it’s right for everyone. Of course it’s not. Nothing is!

    If an astronaut gives up space to stay home with her kids, was it a waste? Does she not have much to show for it?
    If a blogger stops blogging to go to med school, was the time spent blogging a waste? No. You learn from everything you do. At least you should.

    Maybe the parents who choose to homeschool (which is a viable choice, just as school is) will teach their children all about entrepreneurship. If those kids grow up and want to be a corporate employee and a nurse in a hospital, was the homeschooling parent wrong? Of course not.

    Life is not static, and the decisions you make now are right for now. That doesn’t mean your past or future decisions are wrong.

    Think people, think!

    Don’t blame the way you got your education for the perceived failings you have in your life now.

    PS: Do you know how many parents blame the school because their kids act like assholes? Take a closer look. Maybe they’re just assholes.

  16. I was sitting in Union Square yesterday, recompressing from my trip, and two guys were wandering around the square, one with a megaphone, one with a mic and handheld amp. One beatboxed while the other rapped as they walked through the city.

    It was kinda strange, and really cool. They were definitely *doing* something with their time, maybe successfully, maybe not. It was the best thing I saw all day in this city though.

    Maybe someone even grabbed one of the cards they were handing out to people, and followed up.

    Somehow, this seems relevant.
    El Sean´s last post ..Dispatch: Screw this, I’m going to the desert

  17. Nathan Hangen says:

    This thing got off track way fast, and although I don’t mind being the bad guy, what I do mind is the fact that there’s no real conversation going on here.

    If we’re talking about blogging for fun, that’s something entirely different than talking about how to go from fun to profitability.

    You said I make money from blogging. That’s actually not true. I make nickels and dimes blogging. The rest comes from doing other things.

    Very few of the people that read my blog buy stuff, and most of my customers come from other sources. Even then, they rarely become readers.

    If you’ve got 60 hours per week for the next 4 years, then yeah, you can probably become Darren Rowse or Brian Clark…but there are better ways. That’s all I’m trying to say.

    This thread makes me sad.
    Nathan Hangen´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

    • Since I had no reply where the following comment was, I will start here. Nathan said “Wait…you did say that you were trying to make money from your blog right? You’re not in it for charity, from what I gathered…so what’s wrong with having a biz before the blog?

      Maybe I mis-read the conversation, but I assumed we were talking, at this point, about how to make money with a blog.”

      It got off track when you asked “If you don’t have a business, then what’s the point of a blog?” So I answered that question…Maybe it was supposed to be rhetorical, but in this case it totally set me off. Coming out as one who didn’t set out to make money and as one who’s primary goal isn’t to make money, it peeved me off…which is cool, nothing like disagreement between friends
      right? ;)

      My major goal with my blog is not to make money…that won’t work, under normal circumstances…or at least it wouldn’t for me. I am looking to get my name out there and to make connections with possible buyers and with people who can help me learn the crafts of blogging, marketing, and anything else I might decide I need in my move to make money from online efforts. Nothing wrong with having the biz first…I just happened to have a blog first myself.

      This thread shouldn’t sadden anyone, I’d think. Its a great discussion about how we each view blogging, and the ways to make money from your online efforts. I hope that we can all value the differences that makes what we are doing so much fun. :)

      • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

        You and I have talked quite a bit, so I’m breaking my promise of not returning.

        Just a question…you just said you don’t want to make money but that you do…I’m confused.

        Sounds like you don’t want to now but you do in the future? Which brings me back to the point of why not explore what you’re doing before you start doing it? If you had to sell something today based on what you love and what you know…what would it be?
        Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

        • Nathan,
          We have talked a bit, and I remember you saying some really nice things to me. There was no need to break a promise, you could have hit me up on Twitter and we could have taken the discussion to another medium with more than 140 chars.

          That being said..It’s not that I don’t want to make money now. Its that I’ve not built the foundation in order to do so. We all know that any structure is only as good as its foundation, right? If I HAD to sell something, I’d probably be SOL. Seriously, that’s what I am in the process of finding. I love helping people, but that is so vague that it is a non-answer. I need to find what I can help people with that I am good at, then I will be set. (and I am always open for suggestions..I know I don’t see myself as others do. Others tend to see me more clearly, if that makes sense).

          Hope that helped clear things up.

          • Nathan Hangen - Digital Emperor says:

            I’d like to talk with you about that; maybe explore some ideas with you.

            Send me an email if you’re down.
            Nathan Hangen – Digital Emperor´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

      • Sounds as though you have a little confusion as to why you are blogging Jenn, First you say it is not to make money, then you say it is to get your name in front of “potential buyers”, buyers would include making money wouldn’t it?
        Keith´s last post ..And The Winner Is

        • Keith.. I am far from confused. Buyers would mean making money, yes. But, again, my main goal is blogging is NOT to make money..and never will it be. I will use blogging to promote other projects whose main goal IS to make money, but even if I never make a red cent, I will continue to blog. I think the whole conversation about my motivations is an exercise in semantics and point of view…and is highlighting to me that I see things in a very different way than most at times. :) Which is very okay with me!

  18. Bethany Doolin says:

    “If you’re not a prostitute, what’s the point of sex?”
    —–hahahaha

    Thanks for the giggle.

    That was my first thought when I read this post. I like the way you think Holly.
    The thought of charging sounds kind of empowering.

    I wasn’t aware that people used blogs for the sole purpose of marketing a product. I thought some people used it for therapy to keep them from having to seek outside help when the wife and/or kids were driving them nuts. Or that people used it as a social tool so their friends and family could keep up. Basically, I thought people blogged because whatever their motivation, it made them feel good.

    Which brings me to sales and marketing. Trust and emotion backed by logic is what sells. Things that stimulate the hypothalamus (sexual pleasure) region work particularly well.
    Laughter promotes dopamine and works well in building trust and rapport in sales. People want what makes them feel good.

    What does this have to do with blogging, I don’t know, but if I made you laugh or gave someone insight into sales, then I did my part.

  19. Debbie Ferm says:

    Nathan,

    I don’t think you’re the bad guy. In fact, I didn’t get that at all from this conversation, and I do think this thread is enlightening. It represents the wide berth of motivations that people have for blogging, and how big the divide is between those motivations.

    Personally, I’m with you. I’m too lazy and self absorbed to do this much work without thinking there will be a financial payoff. I’d just lay by the pool and read all day if I thought otherwise. But other people see it differently and that’s perfectly legitimate also. Que Sara Sara and all that.

    But if they ARE looking to make money, you’re right. There is a better way than to post merrily away until your eyes are crossed and you live in a dumpster. And I appreciate that there are people like you out there to point the way when people finally realize that.

  20. Debbie Ferm says:

    Hi Gurl,

    I’m confused about your response to Nathan. If your ultimate goal IS to have a business and make money, then that’s why you’re doing it, right?

    My non-connection (NOT criticism) is people who are doing it just to express themselves. It’s not that I disagree with it. It’s just something that I can’t comprehend wanting to do. I like it, but the rewards I want from doing it are different.

    Good to get everyone’s perspective!

    • Debbie,
      I am not sure how it was confusing, but let me try to clarify.
      I don’t blog to make money…that model just does not work for the average person. I blog for the fun, the connections I can make, and the reputation I can build. The reputation is what will help me be able to sell products and/or services. However, the minute it stops being fun..I am out or at least revamping and making major changes so I am enjoying things again. If I wanted not fun..I’d be working a “regular” job again.

      So, the blogging will support my efforts to make money, but I don’t blog in order to make money…its convoluted, but if I start seeing the blog as primarily for money making then I am not doing what I enjoy doing…Making money is great, and I totally want more. But what I want most is to help others. Its something I am good at that makes me feel good, and will eventually make me some money once I have a model worth charging for.

      *shrugs* I tend to have a skewed word view that many find exasperating. A lot of ppl might say your assessment is right, but for me and who I am…just doesn’t work to see my baby (the blog) as a money making venture instead of a venture to connect with and, hopefully, help others.

  21. Having our work available to all on the Internet can be both good and bad – on the one hand, as Dave pointed out, failure is by definition public but, on the other, our work now has an immediate audience.
    I recently read a post on Coding Horror by Jeff Atwood (http://goo.gl/z1gM), where he points the benefit of all programming turning into web programming: basically, programmers now have an immediate audience for their code, some of which may have never made the light of day.
    Of course, there will always be the naysayers and detractors of our work, but at the end of the day, having our work consistently critiqued provides us feedback on the path to mastery (or to the bank).
    Walter Yu´s last post ..Smart Grids Now Closer to Reality

  22. Well, that was fun. Now back to work.
    Ralph´s last post ..Sunday Funnies – Crazy Frog Brothers

  23. All I can say is, you can definitely tell it was a Sunday night. =) Fun debate though.

  24. Phew! As a relatively new blogger, that was a lot to digest. I think just about everyone made some good points. I am not sure I agree with them all, but that’s mostly because I can’t remember them all. That happens when you get my age!

    I once started working in a factory at the very bottom. I learned, I struggled, I learned more. I fought my way into every position I felt I wanted. I was eventually made plant superintendent. After a couple of years, I decided I hated it and quit. Now I wish I hadn’t.

    What does that have to do with blogging? Not everybody makes it, but those who do have to learn, to fight, to struggle. They may still not make it. If they do, they may learn they hate it and move to something else.

    Life ain’t easy. You do what you can and say f*** the rest. Can you make money just by blogging, no, but you might find a job writing in some other forum. Do you have to sell products on your blog? No, but if you want to make money from your site it helps!

    I’m not sure if all this conversation really inspires me, or makes me want to look elsewhere for my dream of expressing myself and possible earning a little coin of the realm at the same time. Maybe I’ll blog about that!
    Steve´s last post ..Find Meaning In Your Life, All Of It!

    • Steve, Peter Huboi, who commented above, directly credits his blogging efforts with multiple job offers.

      That’s pretty cool in my book.

      What you’re seeing here is a very thin slice of “blogging,” viz. elements of the “problogging” community. I have 4 clients right now that haven’t ever heard of problogging, and could really care less. So there’s a lot of coin “out there,” for whatever little coin is “in here.”

  25. I see Jenn talking in terms of using a blog for brand building and equity development, rather than specifically and directly for revenue generation.

    I may be wrong but I work in the same hope. I’m a writer but I’m also building out into a personality-based community system. The blog will support and drive interest in the system, but it won’t be creating a revenue stream itself, on its own.
    Dave Thackeray´s last post ..No U in team – but is there a team in you?

  26. Oh boy! You went and opened a great old can of worms there Dave didn’t you? Bet you never for a split second anticipated that ;)

    Heather is right. This is splitting hairs over semantics. As someone who does actually do this for charity rather than business I have to say that without the blog, Give A Brick would still be a teeny tiny non-entity. Writing and commenting and RTing and all the stuff that Nathan seems so down on has raised the profile of this unknown Welsh endevour. We would not have had International donations without it. But the blog is not the end result. It is an aspect of what we do.

    The flip side of this is that having started blogging to raise awareness of GAB, I felt like I’d lost a place to just be me. As a result, I’ve just recently started my own blog. As far as I can tell I can count the number of readers on one hand. Would I like to make money from this blog? Indirectly maybe. If someone one day reads my stuff and likes my creativity, wants to pay me to write for them, super duper. But that’s not the point. I just like having a place to write for the sheer joy of it. What’s wrong with that? If I can make others smile too, result. It’s what I love to do :)

    • I consider blogging a performance art, and my current activity is pretty much the same as busking: developing my art and getting “scene.”

      Other people live different truths.

      Let’s get all your bricks by Christmas. What can I do to help?

    • Nathan Hangen says:

      Eleanor,

      That’s the thing…Dave is railing on me for railing against blogging…but I’m not talking about people like you or those that work for companies and/or hobby bloggers.

      I rant against the pro-blogger wanna-be’s, and David knows that. Somehow this got twisted into an attack on blogging as form of media…but that’s not where at started, at least from my end.
      Nathan Hangen´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

      • Nathan…even with that caveat your argument seems weak.

        You rail against pro-blogger wannabes, yet I’ll bet you have, and will in the future, pro-”something” wannabes.

        Have you ever been seen by a resident or intern in the hospital? That’s a pro-doctor wannabe.

        Has a plumber or electrician ever showed up at your house with a “helper”? A pro-electrician or pro-plumber wannabe worked on your pipes or wiring.

        I don’t know how old you are, but I’m 55, and there were actual service stations when I was younger, and often there was a high school kid working there…pumping gas, cleaning windshields, checking oil, and helping the station owner with mechanical work he was competant to help with…the list of abilities growing over time until he could actually be called a mechanic instead of a gofer. He could have been considered a pro-mechanic wannabe.

        Sometimes…often…being a pro-”anything” wannabe is an excellent way to become a pro-anything, without the “wannabe” suffix. Considering that experience is often the best teacher, it might be th BEST way…in blogging as well as other vocations.

        Hell…I think I’m a pretty damn good goatherd and boiled peanut salesman, and both started from the wannabe position. I don’t know if the same will happen to me as a blogger yet. Get back to me in a couple of years and I’ll let you know.

        BH
        Bob Hayles´s last post ..Merry Christmas…enjoy

        • Bob, this is exactly what I mean by “cargo cult.”

          Back when I first started framing houses, it was exactly like this. Buy a riggin’ ax, tool belt, chalk line, speed square and a Skil worm drive… then spend the first few weeks keeping the trash cleared off the job site.

          And it turns out, on a good crew, you have to work fast to keep carpenters in wood and out of trash. You have to understand the flow of the whole job, what everyone is doing, when they’re doing it, why they’re doing it… before you get to the how they’re doing it. You have to anticipate.

          Framing takes a couple of years to learn. More to it than people think. But to get started – to be a wanna be – you have to surround yourself with the tools of the trade. You have to worship at the alter of Skil. Cargo cult.

          In my experience, this blogging stuff (or whatever it is we’re doing here) is pretty much the same. Especially the learn by doing. Not possible to learn framing from a book, you have to do it.

          • Nathan Hangen says:

            Dave,

            I never said that part of it was a bad thing. I’m just speaking from the perspective of having been doing this for 2 years. Isn’t that why we buy courses…to learn how to do things in an effective way?

            Seems to me that you’d rather grind an axe than have a discussion. You don’t reply to me, but to the people replying to me.

            This game has grown childish, and I’m disappointed in your lack of maturity in both private and public conversation.
            Nathan Hangen´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

        • Kelly below has it right. I’m not saying you can’t make money with a blog as a starting point…I’m saying that the end of the tunnel is different than you’d expect it to be. The light is around the corner, not straight ahead.

          I’m just trying to help people based on my own experience. If you don’t like my advice, then don’t take it.

          I’m cool with that.
          Nathan Hangen´s last post ..Keep Building Your Email Follow Ups

      • I think maybe we need a glossary, because I’m not quite sure what a problogger wannabe is (but I think I’m one).

        I also think that those of us on both sides of this argument are saying much the same thing. There is no argument, really.

        This is what I hear Nathan saying:

        He’s disenchanted with the marketing line that tells us that you! too! Can be a six-figure blogger! From the comfort of your own home! Here’s the formula!

        Here’s what I hear Nathan and Mike CJ saying:

        in fact, if you want to make money, a blog is not the source of income. A blog is your virtual handshake. A blog is how you get to know people in a virtual space. The way you make money is with a business. You need to have products and services to offer (and sell). And nobody – or very few people – pays to read blogs. Therefore blogging, per se, does not generate revenue. And Nathan and Mike, I think, teach us how to run online (and offline) businesses in which your blog is a part of marketing those businesses. Hence…”Beyond Blogging.”

        (and relatedly: Nathan’s a little tired of the woo hoo! blogging! brigade.)

        Therefore, in this line of reasoning, the main reason to blog is to support your business.

        Dave, I suspect, wouldn’t argue with much of that (I could be wrong), but believes, passionately, that what we’re creating with our quality blogs is ART.

        And commerce. No doubt about it: Dave and I are marketing our services through our blogs. We’re using the content we write on our blogs as inspiration for creating useful products that genuinely help people. (Dave’s Blog Post Engineering grew out of a post, as most e-books do.)

        So while Blogistan can be tiresome, and a grind, and we sometimes get seduced by the RTs and comments and take our eyes off This Thing We’re Collectively Creating, it can also be beautiful.

        We’re talking to each other. We’re lifting each other up. We’re supporting each other’s businesses and spirits. We’re making the world a better place by offering our gifts.

        I give the things I’m most hungry for: inspiration and love. I give it using my talent, which is writing.

        I could write a memoir. I could write marketing copy. I could write poetry. (In fact I do all of those things.) For me, blogging is just another genre. It is just another place to put my words.

        What is most beautiful and gratifying about blogging, though, is that my words get immediate feedback. I learn, quickly and viscerally, what people like, and need, and don’t need. I learn what techniques work. I get better every day that I write and post.

        And I see Nathan saying that he isn’t criticizing THAT kind of writing/blogging, or all the personal and therapeutic and world-changing reasons that we blog.

        So, truly, I think we’re all saying the same thing.

        Let’s use blogging to be better, do better, and build a better world where we don’t have to live in cubicles, dependant on the largesse of an employer, while feeling incredibly alone.

        None of us are alone. Not even when we think we are.

        • Nathan Hangen says:

          Thank you for trying to find middle ground. If nothing else, you’ve proven that I haven’t been talking to myself and speaking a foreign language.
          Nathan Hangen´s last post ..Guess who Turned 8?

  27. After reading, then skimming, then finishing at a fast scroll, I’ve made a critical discovery about myself regarding blogging. I’m either a genius, or the dumbest blogger on the face of the planet. I thought there are only two reasons to blog.

    If you’re not your own boss, if you draw a paycheck from somebody else, and that “somebody else” tells you to maintain the company blog well by George, if you want to keep drawing that paycheck, you blog.
    The only other valid reason I can think of to blog is because you want to. Now, why you want to might be for a variety of reasons. You might have a product you want to sell, an agenda you want to promote, a hobby or lifestyle you want to tell people about, expertise you want to share in a field difficult to research, or you might be like me…a know-it-all with a compulsion to share his knowledge (ooops… I forgot David was reading this. When I decided I wanted to blog I didn’t have a clue how, technically, to do it, which explains how David was unfortunate enough to meet me).

    Beyond dealing with the technical part of how to make WordPress, or any blogging software, make your blog look like you want it to look and do what you want it to do, and you have something to say, most blog’s, or at least the good ones, are simply the art of putting words to paper, just because you want to, and just because you can. I might be wrong (not likely) but I think if the motivation for a blog is money, stats, or both, the blog is doomed to failure, or at the least will not be as good as it could have been.

    If you are blogging because you want to, it will show. Combine that with picking a topic of even moderate interest (it doesn’t have to be wide interest. Your only shooting for a few 100,000 people of the billions in the world), and have even a modicum of writing skills, your blog will eventually be successful.

    If you are blogging because you want to. If you are blogging because you want to. If you are blogging because you want to.

    I have, I think, a moderately successful blog, JuicyMaters.com, on topics like yurts (what a yurt? Learn on my blog), how to build a yurt (learn on my blog), homesteading (learn how on my blog), recipes and kitchen gadgets (yep, it’s on the blog), politics (four political sections on my blog)…and whatever success I have, while helped by the topics selected, is primarily due to the fact that I like my topics, have a small amount of knowledge about my topics, and enjoy writing about them.

    Well, David’s help with the WordPress technical end probably had a hand in whatever success I’ve had as well… LOL.

    I am probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and I often look at the past for what has worked rather than trying to figure out something new. When checking my hypothesis that a successful blogger blogs ‘cause he wants to, I look at the blog “ThePioneerWoman.com. That blog is written by an “accidental blogger”, a ranch wife in Northeast Oklahoma, 45 minutes from the nearest Wal-Mart, and 2 hours away from her beloved Starbucks. She started her blog for two reasons: because she wanted a way to share family information and pictures with friends and other family members, and because she was bored. The Pioneer Woman celebrated its fourth birthday on May 2 of this year and averages four million hits a month, has spun off another blog, the TastyKitchen.com, that is now six months old and getting one million hits a month, in addition to spinning off a best-selling cookbook, and getting the blogger, Ree Drummond, a guest spot on ABC’s “Good Morning America”, Fox News’ “Fox and Friends”, and on “The View”…all during April of this year.

    Not too bad for a bored ranch wife who, four years ago, just “wanted” to blog.

    Bob Hayles´s last post ..Merry Christmas…enjoy

    • Bob Hayles!

      How the hell are ya man!

      Poking around in your yurt section. You have done a _lot_ of work this spring. That’s nice to see.

      Thanks for stopping by.

      • I almost ordered baby chicks this morning. I live in a suburban townhouse with a yard the size a handkerchief and a storm-trooper strata council. What the hell am I thinking?

        It is all Bob’s fault.

        • Kelly, you now owe me a new notebook computer, and I’d prefer an HP.

          I read your comment above, and wondered what the hell got you off on the chicks (I’m kinda slow, OK?).

          Then I read the last line…and promptly sprayed hot coffee all over the computer…via the nostrils, thank you very much.

          David know where I live. He’ll give you the shipping address for the laptop.

          BH

  28. My previous comment shortened:

    I blog for the same reason I fish. I’m not a commercial fisherman, but if I’m leaving the stream with a full stringer and someone wants to pay me for some of them I’ll sell ‘em…and pray like hell he isn’t the game warden.

    BH
    Bob Hayles´s last post ..Merry Christmas…enjoy

    • Yeah, seems there are a lot of game wardens around this neck of the woods lately.

      You going to take me fishing next time I’m in Dahlonega?

      • Damn right I’ll take you fishin’…we’ll hit the Amacolola River. Just be sure you come during trout season…May through October. hell…when you are in Dahlonega you are only about 30-35 miles from me.

        I appreciate the comments on the blog improvements…I spent 8 hours a day for two weeks revamping the whole thing to make navigation easier. That whole “everything’g a page” with no posts was making things difficult for readers…they had to drill down too much to find stuff. I just got the revamp done last week…actually still have some finishing touches…text was transferred cut/paste but I couldn’t figure out how to transfer the graphics so they have to be re-done from scratch…that’s the project for tomorrow, along with getting the pic/links resized and correctly aligned on the main page. Did you look at/like that change?

        Not too bad for a dumb redneck boiled peanut salesman working a roadside stand, eh? A year ago last month I had a domain name and server space, and now I have something I like…thanks in large…VERY large…part to you.

        Oh…and I’m not done with you yet…I’ve dug and dug and figgered out a bunch of stuff, since you would have just given me cryptic hints and made me dig it out anyway…LOL…but now I’ve got some things to ask I haven’t been able to dig up. Look for an email from me…soon.

        Have a good…no, scratch that…have a GREAT day.

        BH
        Bob Hayles´s last post ..Merry Christmas…enjoy

  29. Dave:

    You are correct about learning by doing. Why do we all blog? I suppose it’s different for each of us – for myself: to become a better writer, share what I’ve found with others who may be looking for the same solution and because someone, once upon a time, told me it is a good way to get traffic to your site.

    I’ll never be tempted to remove the blog completely and will certainly never try coding my pages by hand.
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    [...] The post I mention inside the podcast is here. [...]